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  14 Jan 09 12:48 PM | Edit Reply | Skinnycap CLOSED
FatBuddha
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Skinnycap has closed down.


http://www.thisisnotgraffiti.com
  14 Jan 09 01:30 PM | Edit Reply | Skinnycap CLOSED
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I heard rumours on the grapevine that it was being moved to Edinburgh?
Dundee was a bit of a bad move in the first place.


Edit: Just visited the site and the message says it all.
'We are sorry to inform all our customers that our company has stopped trading.'
[Edited by SpecialBranch on 14 Jan 09 01:33 PM]
  14 Jan 09 01:50 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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A big problem he had was trying to stock all the paint brands, stick to 1 or 2, much easier for cashflow.

Sorry to see someone go down, must have been hard for him
  14 Jan 09 05:16 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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This is bad news, take it that it was just too much money going out?
  14 Jan 09 10:32 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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the man did well, put out a mag, organised the major jams in Scotland over the last few years, supported the scene in the way that it should be done, helping to put Scotland on the map and not just grabbing the cash (which business is all about).

Hats off to you ya old bastard!
  14 Jan 09 10:40 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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Very sorry to hear this.

I was always surprised that he managed to sustain a graffiti shop in Dundee, not that I’m saying the size of the city is why Skinnycap went under.

I hope he’s not disheartened and doesn’t feel that supporting the scene has been a mistake, regardless of what the spreadsheets say.
  15 Jan 09 12:04 AM | Edit Reply | Skinnycap CLOSED
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I reckon if he shifted the shop to Edinburgh or Glasgow, under cut the shops that are around already, it would work out. Im always told that theres no money in it, and i know this is the case, but if you have the cheapest prices going and the best service then you'll get the biggest customer base. I always got good chat in Skinnycap, and a good atmosphere. Fuck Shakewell - money grabber. Not keen on Fat Buddha. Underground Solushn is alright - usually the best priced, but they havnt stocked up in ages. Applejack/Drift isn't great pricewise. Ozzy's is pish. Im pretty sure if a shop sold paint cheaper than everywhere else, even if it was 25p less per tin, many would just go there. There shouldn't be more than about 2 shops in this country selling supplies, it's not viable to have more. Plus, whats with Monster being expensive? It's supposed to be a 'Scottish' brand, although made in Italy or somethin. It should be cheap surely. Seeing as in Montana's homecountry (Spain) you can pick it up for like the equivalent of about £1.20 a tin.
Sorry for ranting, im on a bit of a hype about lack of monies...
[Edited by SpecialBranch on 15 Jan 09 12:06 AM]
  15 Jan 09 12:27 AM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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SpecialBranch wrote:
I reckon if he shifted the shop to Edinburgh or Glasgow, under cut the shops that are around already, it would work out. Im always told that theres no money in it, and i know this is the case, but if you have the cheapest prices going and the best service then you'll get the biggest customer base. I always got good chat in Skinnycap, and a good atmosphere. Fuck Shakewell - money grabber. Not keen on Fat Buddha. Underground Solushn is alright - usually the best priced, but they havnt stocked up in ages. Applejack/Drift isn't great pricewise. Ozzy's is pish. Im pretty sure if a shop sold paint cheaper than everywhere else, even if it was 25p less per tin, many would just go there. There shouldn't be more than about 2 shops in this country selling supplies, it's not viable to have more. Plus, whats with Monster being expensive? It's supposed to be a 'Scottish' brand, although made in Italy or somethin. It should be cheap surely. Seeing as in Montana's homecountry (Spain) you can pick it up for like the equivalent of about £1.20 a tin.
Sorry for ranting, im on a bit of a hype about lack of monies...
[Edited by SpecialBranch on 15 Jan 09 12:06 AM]


no need 4 the apologies, its all quite rightly said!
  15 Jan 09 12:54 AM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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There seems to be something of a cartel going on with paint in Glasgow (I can’t speak for anywhere else). We have two shops with identical prices, I know that could be a coincidence, but it seems odd that paint made in Glasgow would cost so much considering there is practically no transportation cost.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d hate to see any more graff shops sink, but I sometimes wonder if they take advantage of their captive market.

When I first started writing Shakewell was doing an “8 cans for £20” offer. This wasn’t long ago (18 months or something). It’s the same paint as we use today. Admittedly, this was a promotional offer, but even when this expired cans only cost £3.30 and you could get 5 for £15.

Fat Buddha then made similar offers (undercutting Shakewell if my memory serves). From what I’ve heard this caused hostility.

Eventually the price war ended and both shops mysteriously bumped their prices up to £3.50. Funny that. I know it’s only a 20p rise, but where has it come from?

Graffiti alone doesn’t seem like a viable business model for a shop. That’s probably why Shakewell require such a high margin from paint, and why the more wide-ranging Fat Buddha were able to undercut them. If they were truly ruthless FB could probably smother Shakewell but they won’t, because it would bring unnecessary hassle. I reckon this dynamic has forced co-operation between the two, and thus, the consumer suffers.

This is all blind speculation.
  15 Jan 09 06:05 AM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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i second what mr v said.
  15 Jan 09 10:26 AM | Edit Reply | Skinnycap CLOSED
FatBuddha
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I can guarantee that me and shakies have never coluded on prices, we never talk so its not going to happen.

As for the price of £3.50 a can thats the RRP from monster, not just that, theres a simple multiplier you add to the cost price to get the selling price, with monster it works out at £3.50.

As for it being a Scottish company, Monster still need to pay for the paint to be shipped from Italy, and the cost of Monster is about the same as Montana, Monster is 30p a can cheaper for me to buy than MTN 94, that why i dont stock MTN 94.

You can talk about money grabbing, but if you dont make the money, the rent, rates, water, electricity, PPL License, insurance, Switch machine, banking, window cleaning, wages, stock, stationery, telephone, broadband etc all dont get paid and you close like skinnycap.

Sorry, but with the euro being 1 for 1 with pound just now, prices might rise.
[Edited by FatBuddha on 15 Jan 09 10:27 AM]


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  15 Jan 09 12:27 PM | Edit Reply | Skinnycap CLOSED
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Monster paint is a useless setup. Should just go sell it in Italy. I've sure i've heard from some that it's cheaper to import Belton than Monster. Could be wrong though. And the special 'multiplier' doesnt have to be used. If you knew the scene, you'd find that most writers cant afford to fork out what often is the equivalent to about £20 per piece based on 6 cans. Im sure if you have a business plan that includes other product ranges such as clothes, books etc then knocking some money off per tin wont hurt you. And can you not just buy in even bigger bulk and get a better deal?
It cost about £1.80 per tin to buy from Monster wholesale price i think, although this was a few years ago and has probs changed.
In England you can pick up tins for less than 3 quid. So where do the transportation costs come into pricing? Pretty sure it would be flat rate delivery to the UK.
And why do shops call 600ml tins 'burner'? Burner is Molotow Burner as it says on the TIN. Which is hugely overpriced in Shakewell (boxing day sale - still more than £4? wtf? It's £4 in Edinburgh and £3.50 in Manchester normal price!)
And have any shops passed on the 2.5% cut?
[Edited by SpecialBranch on 16 Jan 09 01:30 PM]
  16 Jan 09 01:32 AM | Edit Reply | Skinnycap CLOSED
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FatBuddha wrote:
I can guarantee that me and shakies have never coluded on prices, we never talk so its not going to happen.

As for the price of £3.50 a can thats the RRP from monster, not just that, theres a simple multiplier you add to the cost price to get the selling price, with monster it works out at £3.50.

As for it being a Scottish company, Monster still need to pay for the paint to be shipped from Italy, and the cost of Monster is about the same as Montana, Monster is 30p a can cheaper for me to buy than MTN 94, that why i dont stock MTN 94.

You can talk about money grabbing, but if you dont make the money, the rent, rates, water, electricity, PPL License, insurance, Switch machine, banking, window cleaning, wages, stock, stationery, telephone, broadband etc all dont get paid and you close like skinnycap.

Sorry, but with the euro being 1 for 1 with pound just now, prices might rise.
[Edited by FatBuddha on 15 Jan 09 10:27 AM]


Clean the windows yourself you lazy shit.

Or would that mean you have to splash out on a sponge & cleaner aswell?
[Edited by Belfall on 16 Jan 09 01:33 AM]
  16 Jan 09 12:05 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
FatBuddha
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and do a tradesperson out of trained job, no thanks, the guy went to window cleaning school and everything, couldn't do that
  16 Jan 09 12:12 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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FatBuddha wrote:
and do a tradesperson out of trained job, no thanks, the guy went to window cleaning school and everything, couldn't do that


I think you are cunt, just thoght i would put that out there. Goodbye.
  16 Jan 09 12:25 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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VANDAL wrote:
FatBuddha wrote:
and do a tradesperson out of trained job, no thanks, the guy went to window cleaning school and everything, couldn't do that


I think you are cunt, just thoght i would put that out there. Goodbye.


are you a window cleaner?
  16 Jan 09 12:56 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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FatBuddha wrote:
and do a tradesperson out of trained job, no thanks, the guy went to window cleaning school and everything, couldn't do that


LMFAO, excellent
  16 Jan 09 04:39 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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theres big money in window cleaning
  16 Jan 09 05:08 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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u gotta get to hitten em 'dust tags' on durty windows brahp. haha
  16 Jan 09 05:36 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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you canni beat a good old duster!
  20 Jan 09 02:49 AM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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the magazine was well good, i assume they're not going to be doing that anymore?
  20 Jan 09 10:43 AM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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KaiserSoze wrote:
the magazine was well good, i assume they're not going to be doing that anymore?


I think the magazine and the website are going to continue. its just theres no money to be made with a graff shop in dundee...
  20 Jan 09 05:47 PM | Edit Reply | Skinnycap CLOSED
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what is the mag called?
[Edited by YOUONLYLIVEONCE on 20 Jan 09 05:48 PM]
  20 Jan 09 06:01 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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StevieNicks wrote:
KaiserSoze wrote:
the magazine was well good, i assume they're not going to be doing that anymore?


I think the magazine and the website are going to continue. its just theres no money to be made with a graff shop in dundee...


I thought that also but the website is down.

Doubt magazine will be about either ken.
  22 Jan 09 08:32 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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I see Monster Paint is now even more expensive in Fat Buddha.

Firstly, I thought it was made in Glasgow, so why the fuck does the strength of the £ effect the price?

Secondly, won’t the weakening of the £ increase MonsterColours’ export trade? Surely this could be passed on the consumers in the UK.

Why does the consumer have to take the hit on what was already an expensive brand?

With the price of oil decreasing, the cost of transporting paint will have plummeted, but will we see the benefits? Will we fuck.

I’m not blaming anyone in particular. I’m just really frustrated that the price of paint seems to constantly rise above the rate of inflation. I still can’t understand why the price increased by 20p in Shakewell last year.

We can now expect to pay over £20 per piece (six cans). When you could get 5 for £15 a matter of months ago.
  22 Jan 09 08:45 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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fatbuhdda is a fucking condesending cunt chattin as if he's richard branson."try sticking to one brand" maybe your shop is surviving because you sell a bunch of other "cool" overpriced stuff for art students to wank over. Away to fuck with your bad attitude overpriced paint new era caps and horrible trainers.
I used to enjoy going into skinnycap and having a chat good atomosphere etc he made an effort to help the scene in the best ways he could magazine etc. Maybe the prices were a little over(not as if yours are any better) but the scene in dundee is small and it would have been difficult to stay afloat
  22 Jan 09 09:51 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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I made these points already chaps, and didn't get any real answers from the culpritz...
  22 Jan 09 10:56 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
FatBuddha
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Bundemout, cock, up yer hole wae a sausage roll
  22 Jan 09 10:57 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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Gunghoe, monster is the same price its always been, it hasn't changed
  22 Jan 09 11:15 PM | Edit Reply | RE: Skinnycap CLOSED
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FatBuddha wrote:
Bundemout, cock, up yer hole wae a sausage roll



Oh, good one Leslie. You had me on the floor.





Idiot.
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